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DaNASCAT

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December 13, 2010
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Hi,

I thought it might be easier for the moment to just add all things that need to be done here, than to Special:Contact each and every bit. You can just remove the things that are done, while we add new stuff to the end. Thanks ;) -- Cid Highwind 21:00, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

  • Interwiki: Does not work yet, see first item here: Memory Alpha:Content policy
  • Talk pages: We'd like to have them instead of comments sections
  • Licensing: There is a license setting that we can't change. It's currently set to "CC-BY-SA", but should be set to "CC-BY-NC"
Interwiki. Done, I believe (forgive me, I'm not very good at the interwiki link stuff, so it's possible I messed that up). Talk pages, done. Licensing - How did you guys do CC-BY-NC on your wiki? I thought that was a JS hack? --daNASCAT@Wikia (Help Forum) (blog) 00:37, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
Interwiki isn't working quite right. The link should go to "Memory Alpha:Policies and guidelines", but the link on the content policy goes to the main page. Now, we may have the link style incorrect, and if so, can you fix that? :)
CC-BY-NC was done from the get-go here. We used JS to fix the fuckup in the footer introduced with the new Wikia skin. We can't be the only wiki using CC-BY-NC at Wikia (or at least, the only one using non-CC-BY-SA). -- sulfur 02:53, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
So, the basic en isn't going to work because /this/ wiki is also technically an "en" since intl isn't a language group. Have pinged techies about the way we change licenses, but as a database administrator from my own wiki I don't think it really matters. The license is whatever you say it is. More research to do tomorrow. --daNASCAT@Wikia (Help Forum) (blog) 03:08, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

The Mediawiki message MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning in its original form contains a variable ($2) where, apparently, the proper license is inserted. That should probably be another MW message itself, but I couldn't find the string in the table of all messages. -- Cid Highwind 09:15, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki has been "fixed" on the example page by changing the interwiki prefix from ":en:" to "w:c:Memory-Alpha". This is not something we can rely on if this wiki goes live, though. The idea is to be a harbour for all language versions, with those that become big enough eventually getting their own separate MA. In that case, all interwiki links should already be in place.

For what it's worth, I've researched the ISO 639-X documents a little, and found that there is a language code for "multiple languages" - mul. So, if that will fix any of the underlying issues here, my suggestions would be to rename this wiki to mul.memory-alpha.org. -- Cid Highwind 10:56, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Cid, 'mul' sadly is not a MediaWiki language so I can't change this wiki to 'mul' because there are no translations for it. Though I don't know, maybe if there is not even a basic translation package, it'll default back to 'en' (that's usually what happens when a specific MW message in a language is not defined). If this is something you want to seriously do and not just sticking an idea to the wall, let me know and we can test.
You kinda lost me about why the interwiki link in its current state won't work. w:c:Memory-Alpha links you back to the normal EN wiki, so I don't know how that would interfere with the goals of this wiki.
I should be able to know what to do about the license tomorrow; I have a meeting to figure out what we need to change. --daNASCAT@Wikia (Help Forum) (blog) 05:52, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the latter question ("why isn't w:c:MA good enough?") - my idea for this wiki has been the following:

  1. People who want to write articles in a "new" language will do it on this wiki.
  2. Because many different languages exist side by side, all articles written in a specific language will be identified by adding them to a category like Category:qqq language article.
  3. In any other regard, they should behave just like any article, including the possibility of interwiki linking not only to en but also to de, fr, sv, ... - and because the MA's are a wiki family, that should be done using the language prefixes and not some (Wikia>Central>FullWikiName) detour - basically, what we want is not just "interwiki" but "interlanguage" linking.
  4. Finally, if one of these new languages will ever manage to get "enough" articles and contributors to stand on its on, we could request a new qqq.memory-alpha.org and pre-fill it with all relevant articles from here, which we will get by simply exporting the whole "qqq language articles" category, complete with already existing interlanguage links on the individual pages.

So while, from a purely technical standpoint, using the full interwiki scheme will work, it would not be semantically correct to do so.

That said, and also with your statement in mind that this "multi-language wiki" is some sort of experiment you're willing to see through, I think we should do as suggested and move this wiki to mul. That way it might be easier for you to get "interlanguage" linking fixed while, at the same time, we get across the purpose of this wiki even in its URL, and perhaps we manage to fix a MW bug on the way. ;) If this leads to no messages being available (which I doubt), this could be fixed by either copying the en language package to mul, or alternatively patch the Mediawiki code to properly rely on en as a fallback. -- Cid Highwind 11:18, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

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